October 08, 2002
Remodeling at Saturation.org

Pardon the mess while I try some things out in the next few days. I know we're overdue. In the meantime, play with the new Search feature, which Eddie brought my attention to. It rocks (thanks Eddie!).

Posted by tmonkey at October 08, 2002 09:18 AM

OK, let's make this a public discussion then. Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the color either. I was just trying stuff out. It's hard to see that it doesn't work until you actually implement it.

Some thoughts:

The nostalgic route:

I like the idea of an all black and white site. Though nostalgia can get kinda annoying too.

The non-designed design: akin to the old skool idea, maybe monospace tty font, all the same size, maybe with bold for links.

I guess the direction this is heading is reluctance to do anything with color (where there is no accounting for taste or preference) or fancy fonts (where there is no accounting for taste or preference).

Maybe we should go back to the old default.

Posted by: tmonkey on October 8, 2002 02:39 PM

anyone remember crashsite? i always thought it looked cool...

Posted by: dbrown on October 8, 2002 03:43 PM

OK, a few more tweaks to figure out what to do with the top header bar, and if there's nothing more, I'll be in my room listening to my Human League tapes...

Posted by: tmonkey on October 8, 2002 04:36 PM

i'm all for change, just this partuclar background/font color makes me anxious. like i'm going blind slowly. but the search feature does rock in any color.

Posted by: elia on October 8, 2002 05:17 PM

Hm, you might want to clear your cache and reload. Unless you can see it and then I have to ask: what is it about black and white don't you like?

Posted by: tmonkey on October 8, 2002 05:37 PM

elia -- are you looking at the b/w version, or the platinum-raisin one? (refresh/clear cache if you're still on the color that cannot be named)

Posted by: dbrown on October 8, 2002 05:37 PM

It may not be worth arguing, but I recently learned of a line that a big old-skool ad exec used to use, when a client wanted to change the typeface on a whim, or the size of the logo, or whatever.

He would hold his face in his hand for a moment, and say, "Mm hmm. Yes. I see what you're saying, but why don't we leave the size of the logo to be determined by _taste_?"

In any case, black and white is nice -- I can read it without anxiety -- but then the links need to be differentiated more maybe. I couldn't find them, but I'm on a PC, and the gamma's different than a Mac. Might be just me.

I think the most important thing about the design of a site for people to read is that it is easy to read. Because I love reading Saturation. And because I appreciate everything y'all do to keep it up. Seriously, though, this. The appreciation.

Black type on white, I like this. The white on black, good, but black on white, better. There's much in the world to support this from optical perspective (as opposed to what, really?) I like typefaces that have transcended fashion and become style. I like color TV and favor knights over bishops, when they are in play.

I think some things are preferences (I favor Hoefler's typeface's over T-26's) and other things are rules (Memepool's use of 1.5x alphabet-wide...+10 columns) -- and that it's worth distinguishing between them. Though, true also that one of the most important preferences is the preference for rules.

Posted by: Kevin Slavin on October 8, 2002 05:55 PM

sorry - i was trapped in a cache-loop at work. this is cool (anxiety-free). one thing - am on a pc at home and, like slavin, can't make out the links. and as far as fonts go, i have a soft spot for jansen text, uncle frisky and schnell roundhand.

Posted by: elia on October 8, 2002 10:24 PM

My thanks and props for indulging the nonsense of personal preferences. Thanks and props. Propos.

Posted by: Kevin Slavin on October 9, 2002 02:09 PM

Oh but one more important thing:

The links are now visible on a PC gamma, but the VLINK color is totally invisible. They're like one-use links. Which is maybe a new model for the web.

Failing that, keep the VLINK color the same as the LINK. Just thinking out loud. Insofar as.

Posted by: Kevin Slavin on October 9, 2002 03:21 PM

I thought about that, but I was thinking, you'd have a page of red links, and as time went by, you'd be able to see which you hadn't clicked on, the object being to rid the page of the red (non-mac os 6 color). But that's maybe a little wishful thinking and would never happen anyways. Do we need the time stamp on the post? Does anyone ever click on that? I could make it a nonlink.

Posted by: tmonkey on October 9, 2002 04:17 PM

Oh, and about the inclusion of red, I checked on my pc at home and indeed, I couldn't make the fuckers appear bold, as hard as I tried. Blasted css non-compliance. If we want to feel how other countries in the world must feel about the US, we only need to imagine ourselves as small software companies trying to eke out a living writing software for BeOS or some other tiny OS and Microsoft becomes the unilateral superpower. That's how it must feel.

Posted by: tmonkey on October 9, 2002 04:21 PM
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